Rollestone Farm Stud & Livery

misspepperpot · by **misspepperpot** on Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:49 am

Fully registered connemara yearling colt- I bought Mason to cover my mares, but he has been tested as homozygous grey, so although his foals may be born palamino/buckskin- they would all turn grey.

He is absolutely beautiful, very striking. Is used to farm life/kids/farrier etc, comes to call, used to baths (essential in creamys!!) and is a throughly pleasant chap to have around despite not having been gelded yet.
He is by rudegway silver gilt, who was the first cremello connemara to be graded into the stud book, is mum is an adrivanna andy mare.
He should make 14.2hh and can be gelded at cost.
Extremely fond of him, and will be an extremely hard sale, but I can't keep him as a riding horse as I can barely ride anymore :cry:

£850 to good home only. :cry:

sarah james · by **sarah james** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:31 am

Hi Helen ,
for Mason to have tested HOMOZYGOUS for Grey BOTH his parents must be greys ?
As GREY is a single dominant gene i.e if its carried it will show itself ....at some stage .
also it cannot skip a genneration so he must have inherited one GREY GENE off Rudegway silver gilt ( a clue in the name :wink:

) and one off his mum
Did you see Mum ?........was she grey or show signs of greying or have the apperence of roaning ?
Its doesn t have to be a negative thing

.............many of the top show Connermaras are Grey ......The one shown by Mathew Lawrence . So although i know vertually nothing about Connermaras :oops:

other than i like them & used to own a dun /buckskin ( no idea

)gelding"Fat Boy Roy" which Al used to compete dressage on i m suspecting a well bred , well put together colt who garentees grey offspring may well be attractive to some Connermara breeders so advertise that as a posative :wink:

......not a negative

Pick up any issue of H&H and count the GREYS making it onto the report pages

.........I accept they can be more prone to melinomas but when you think of eqiune icons such as MILTON , DESERT ORCHID , PHILCO ........Grey is hardly the end of the world ! :wink:

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misspepperpot · by **misspepperpot** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:50 am

I didn't see either of his parents as I didn't buy him off the breeder- I guessed from the name about dad hence I got him tested!!!
Unfortunately the connemara society treat cremello's like second class citizens though and refuse to grade them into the first stud book regardless of how wonderful an example of breed it may be, they only ever get grade 2 status- which is why the connie people don't like them as all offspring would only be eligable for grade II papers. That wasn't going to be a problem when breeding with thorughbreds :cry:

as I could of tried for sports pony/ECHA grading.
Also, we all know everyone hates blue eyes!!!! :shock:

laura · by **laura** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:55 am

If its any consolation I have sold a blue eyed foal and a grey spotty this week!

Bought a few spot that I was assured wasn't grey and of course she then tested heterozygous - arghhhhhhhhhh - I wanted her for one specific breeding and the grey was an absolute no no. Advertised her honestly (tested and that half her foals would go grey) and had a lot of interest (mind you the fact that she was by then "half price" too helped

)

Price of the grey test - £25

Price of honesty £500 :shock:

Think I need a wee lie down now!!!! :lol:

sarah james · by **sarah james** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:56 pm

good for you Laura

........honesty is always the best policy , i think its when people are kept in the dark or purposely mislead that causes problems

. Personnally i love blue eyes

.....& have no problem with grey either but i respect others don t

Halona · by **Halona** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:00 pm

Hi, Just for your information - the sire of your boy is homozygous grey as well, but I am not sure if his dam is hetrozygous grey or homozygous but both her parents were grey too so it is possible she is homozygous for grey too. Lovely chap your boy all the same - I thought he was perlino though and not cremello? He was born an absolutely stunning colour - I'm hoping for some perlino babies myself that look like that.

Glad your all being honest, I hate it when people only think of cash and no concern that the horse will just be sold on again when the next lot of people are disappointed when they discover the truth.

misspepperpot · by **misspepperpot** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:12 pm

Yes he is lovely. Don't know if he is cremello or perlino as they don't know what colour the mare was before she went grey!!! :roll:

Beats me why you would breed grey with grey (knowing they are grey) and then sell as cremello/perlino?? Like sarah J says, best to be open about it. I bought him purely as a stallion prospect thinking he was cremello.

He will certainly make a lovely kids pony whatever way- just maybe not a stallion. What colour was he when he was born then? He is creamy now , almost white.

Halona · by **Halona** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:20 pm

Oh they definately knew he'd be at least hetrozygous grey - hold on, I'll see if I can find a photo of him for you!

Halona · by **Halona** on Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:28 pm

sarah james · by **sarah james** on Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:01 am

what a little stunner

.........you can just make out the lighter telltale "googles".
It does really sadden me that greys are treated like rejects & i think thats mainly as they are sometimes sold on under false pretencise (spelling

). I totally understand breeders wanting to avoid grey when breeding specsifically for colour .....but other wise if the confirmation , quality of movement & temprament are al of a high standard then i don t & will never understand peoples reaction to grey
i quote a top geneticist ( who i won t name out of respect for the help she s given me .

I do get a bit agitated at the last statement… “I and other genetics researchers who understand the nature of grey strongly advise owners of grey horses to not use them as breeding animals. “ I don’t know where she gets this from. A) she is not a geneticist, and I emphasis this. She does not have a PhD, she does spend a considerable amount of time studying phenotypes, but this does not make her a geneticist. And B) One of the geneticists who discovered the gene responsible for grey where asked this very question at a recent meeting. “as grey causes melanoma, do you feel greys should be culled, according to the Swedish law prohibiting perpetuation of genetic flaws in livestock?” The researchers responded with a resounding NO, these horses have been breed for thousands of years; one flaw does not make them worthless. And no one, let me emphasize, no one, knows this gene better than them, particularly not Shelia. So I suggest you contact Dr Leif Andersson, Uppsala University, email- leif.andersson@imbim.uu.se. A quote from him will be worth 1000 from me.

Shelias description of the pathology of melanoma is also off a bit, again, she is not a pathologist, so what she says is not from the horses mouth, so to speak. The world leader in the pathology of the disease is Dr. John Robertson, Virginia Tech, drbob@vt.edu. I have personally heard him give very kind and reasonable advice to the owner of a grey horse. His own work focuses on managing the disease, not culling it. His is a real expert on the pathology, he is literally elbow deep in it everyday, Shelia can not in any way argue with his opinion. He is a very bright and engaging person and is always willing to offer what ever advice he can to horse people.

when i took Bill to a recent stud open day people who hadn t come to see HIM booked him with full knowledge of him being tested heterzygous for grey & his gap in pedigree on his dams line ......they said his temprament was amazing and they were still happy to use him!

sorry Helen i didn t mean to turn your advert for your little man into yet another outlet for my frustrations regarding peoples attitude to GREY :oops:

.........GOOD LUCK .....all the qualities that made you decide he was good enough to be a stallion he still has all that is lost is his colour ........so he must be a very good example & i m sure someone will recognise that & snap him up

Halona · by **Halona** on Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:58 am

I didn't realise there was so much anti-grey out there, I'd never let the colour turn me off a good horse, I in fact have owned two greys in my time, my only ever concern was purely lazy and how much bathing they would need, but since owning cremellos and coloureds and leopard spots, I've got over that anyway. Like Sarah says he is a stunner and I am sure you'll find him a great home, there are a lot of people who like cremellos for other than breeding, I have met a few recently, and he will always look like a cremello because of his blue eyes, just like his dad. In fact I'll contact someone and see if they are interested in him, but he maybe to small for them but its worth a go anyway.

misspepperpot · by **misspepperpot** on Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:48 am

For colour comparison only (as it's a vile picture of him!!!) this is him a few days ago 'chatting' to Dave and doing his best 'I'm just a foal' impression (Dave is the same age as him!!!)- just looks cremello now- can see why we'd be confused. :wink:

Look how stocky he is also- already as a yearling. My farrier spends a lot of time in Ireland dealing with connie yards and says he is a cracking example of a 'proper' connie with tiny ears, a wide forehead and chunky body!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14528143@N08/3455210224/

I never went out looking to buy, I went with a friend to look at another yearling she wanted- he picked me. In a shed full of wild yearlings he came and snuggled up to me :lol:

I PURELY bought him on the basis of the colour as I thought there may be a market for thorughbred/connie dillutes

but that doesn't mean we don't adore him, but he is now not a stallion I would want to use? Does that make sense?? I would keep him as a gelding but I can barely ride anymore due to my back/hips and I don't think my girls are interested enough to justify keeping him for them.[/img]

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